New furnace in 30R
New furnace in 30R
The replacement furnace for the Duotherm unit in a 30R, a Suburban NT-30SP, is anything but a direct swap. To begin with, the vent on the Duotherm has intake and exhaust holes at about 5 1/2" on center, whereas the vent holes on the Suburban are at 3.5". To complicate matters further, the Suburban vent holes are about 4" higher than the Duotherm vent holes. Another issue is the Suburban is too deep for the cabinet opening, so the interior skin has to be removed to gain the needed depth.
One option to resolve the vent issue is to install a patch with the new Suburban vent. I preferred to make the existing Duotherm vent work, so that required dropping the furnace shelf about 4" and modifying a couple horizontal framing members inside the wall. I verified with Chuck Cayo that modifying these framing members wasn't a big deal, and he agreed.
This pic shows the horizontal members that are in the way. A pair of linemans pliers makes bending the outer edge of the aluminum easy. The bottom member is fine left in place with the outer edge bent down, but the upper member had to go. A cut off wheel makes quick work of the job. Next pic shows most of the foam removed from the inner wall and wheel well.
One option to resolve the vent issue is to install a patch with the new Suburban vent. I preferred to make the existing Duotherm vent work, so that required dropping the furnace shelf about 4" and modifying a couple horizontal framing members inside the wall. I verified with Chuck Cayo that modifying these framing members wasn't a big deal, and he agreed.
This pic shows the horizontal members that are in the way. A pair of linemans pliers makes bending the outer edge of the aluminum easy. The bottom member is fine left in place with the outer edge bent down, but the upper member had to go. A cut off wheel makes quick work of the job. Next pic shows most of the foam removed from the inner wall and wheel well.
KYAvion
1984 Avion 30R
1984 Avion 30R
Re: New furnace in 30R
Next step is the vent. I liked the outer heat shield on the exhaust of the Duotherm vent, so I decided to reuse it. The issue, however, is that the Duotherm holes are about 2" too far apart.
I fastened the exhaust vent tube that came with the Suburban on the intake side of the Duotherm vent plate. The Suburban exhaust tube is longer than the Suburban intake tube, and it is angled upward slightly, so that helps to make up for some of the 2" difference. Plus, the bottom half of the Duotherm vent is angled to go with the curvature of the trailer, so that helps a little as well. The longer tubes make getting the vents on the furnace mated up a little easier, as well as provide for extra overlap.
As can be see though, in order to get the 3.5" on center spacing of the tubes, the intake had to be raised just past the interior of the Duotherm hole. Since the outside of the Duotherm vent is slightly raised, the restriction to the airflow for the intake appears negligible.
I fastened the exhaust vent tube that came with the Suburban on the intake side of the Duotherm vent plate. The Suburban exhaust tube is longer than the Suburban intake tube, and it is angled upward slightly, so that helps to make up for some of the 2" difference. Plus, the bottom half of the Duotherm vent is angled to go with the curvature of the trailer, so that helps a little as well. The longer tubes make getting the vents on the furnace mated up a little easier, as well as provide for extra overlap.
As can be see though, in order to get the 3.5" on center spacing of the tubes, the intake had to be raised just past the interior of the Duotherm hole. Since the outside of the Duotherm vent is slightly raised, the restriction to the airflow for the intake appears negligible.
KYAvion
1984 Avion 30R
1984 Avion 30R
Re: New furnace in 30R
Now for the ductwork. The opening for the main duct needs to be moved about 4.25", so tin snips take care of that.
The vertical duct boot is also too large, so about 2.5" has to be trimmed from it as well.
Finally, cutting slits in the bottom of the boot make attachment to the main trunk a little easier.
Pic of boot attached and sealed with foil tape below. The top of the boot is flush with the wheel well. At some point I'll wrap the edges of the interior wall cutout with aluminum sheet for a cleaner look, but for now foil tape does the job.
The vertical duct boot is also too large, so about 2.5" has to be trimmed from it as well.
Finally, cutting slits in the bottom of the boot make attachment to the main trunk a little easier.
Pic of boot attached and sealed with foil tape below. The top of the boot is flush with the wheel well. At some point I'll wrap the edges of the interior wall cutout with aluminum sheet for a cleaner look, but for now foil tape does the job.
KYAvion
1984 Avion 30R
1984 Avion 30R
Re: New furnace in 30R
The furnace shelf simply rests on top of the wheel well and is supported on the opposite side with a couple fasteners. The opening of course had to be made larger to match the duct boot.
Pic below shows the duct flange going into the the duct boot.
While overkill since the manual specifies zero clearance for the bottom, I decided to remove the flange and first cover the wood shelf with sheet metal.
Next pic shows the flange put back in place on top of the shelf. I tried installing the flange through the furnace cage, but the furnace had a tendency to grab the flange when trying to remove it. At some point I'm going to add a wood stove rope gasket around the furnace cage opening to make the connection between the furnace cage and shelf/flange a little tighter, although once the furnace is inserted things are pretty tight as is.
Furnace cage installed.
Pic below shows the duct flange going into the the duct boot.
While overkill since the manual specifies zero clearance for the bottom, I decided to remove the flange and first cover the wood shelf with sheet metal.
Next pic shows the flange put back in place on top of the shelf. I tried installing the flange through the furnace cage, but the furnace had a tendency to grab the flange when trying to remove it. At some point I'm going to add a wood stove rope gasket around the furnace cage opening to make the connection between the furnace cage and shelf/flange a little tighter, although once the furnace is inserted things are pretty tight as is.
Furnace cage installed.
KYAvion
1984 Avion 30R
1984 Avion 30R
Re: New furnace in 30R
Pic of furnace installed.
Pic of propane connection. It's hard to see, but I also cut away the cage where the brass elbow connects to the furnace. I didn't want to have to fool with removing that elbow each time I want to remove the furnace from the cage for cleaning or repair, and the rubber grommet and washer still seals that area just fine.
Pic of propane connection. It's hard to see, but I also cut away the cage where the brass elbow connects to the furnace. I didn't want to have to fool with removing that elbow each time I want to remove the furnace from the cage for cleaning or repair, and the rubber grommet and washer still seals that area just fine.
KYAvion
1984 Avion 30R
1984 Avion 30R
Re: New furnace in 30R
All in all not a bad job, but it is too bad Suburban doesn't make a direct replacement for the Duotherm. One thing I am impressed with on the NT-30SP is that it isn't nearly as loud as the Suburban furnace in my prior Airstream. You hear it, but for the most part the blower is pretty quiet.
KYAvion
1984 Avion 30R
1984 Avion 30R
Re: New furnace in 30R
Looks like you had fun!!!
I am looking at this on my phone..... can't wait to get home and really study it via the laptop!
I am looking at this on my phone..... can't wait to get home and really study it via the laptop!
Razorback (Paul)
1987 Avion 34W
1995 Ford F-250 7.3L PowerStroke
I'm a "whosoever"... are you???
1987 Avion 34W
1995 Ford F-250 7.3L PowerStroke
I'm a "whosoever"... are you???
Re: New furnace in 30R
I didn't care for the elbow with a flare fitting that came with the furnace because I had to use a swivel fitting to make the conversion I needed. Too many parts cobbled together. The flared elbow is fine if you want to attach your soft copper line directly to it, but I wanted a gas shut off for times when I remove the furnace. So I replaced both the swivel fitting and the flared elbow.
Also replaced the door seal on the entry door and what a difference it makes on a cold night like tonight!
Also replaced the door seal on the entry door and what a difference it makes on a cold night like tonight!
KYAvion
1984 Avion 30R
1984 Avion 30R
Re: New furnace in 30R
In case anyone is interested, I just got around to finally updating the pics in this thread. They were lost during the migration between hosts.
KYAvion
1984 Avion 30R
1984 Avion 30R
Re: New furnace in 30R
So the shut off valve is just North of the union?
1987 34V
2000 Ford F250
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
2000 Ford F250
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.